Catergory

[John Ballard]

Have decided to register for Rally
I would presume class for my car as before as Modified A
However, reading the regs it states that telescopic shocks makes it Mod B then states modification for saftey are accepted.
So if shocks are for Saftey it is Mod A if not Mod B
Last rally I entered "B" and was moved to "A"
Very confusing???????

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[Scouse]

It's been a while since my last Rally but you can enter whichever class you like if you're prepared to lose points for 'incorrect' items.

Technically you should be in Mod B with the telescopics but you'll be up against more modified cars.
Stay in Mod A & you'll lose some points for the teles but be amongst similar cars in every other respect.


From what I've seen though, every Rally seems to have their owns rules so what I've just said may not aopply at the next one.

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[grant69]

Although I would never put a car in for judging, I think it would be helpful to have a standard set of judging rules which would clarify all the little points which could be posted on the forum for all to see, many other clubs do this.

[Mighty Morry]

Hello all,

We have made a few minor modifications to the rally Judging for the classes, which we will have up on our website as soon as they are typed up.

We used the last rally sheets as a guideline and after some positive imput it has been decided to update it to reflect these changes.

John to answer your question you can go into modified A with telescopic shocks. We see this as a safety enhancement and therefore you will not be penalised.

For those that have already sent their judging classes in for their car you can amend the classes you nominated if it is deemed a changed within the amendments.

Hope this helps, keep an eye on our website for any updates.

Thanks Pam

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Morris Minors are like rabbits they keep breeding!!!!!

[graham]

G'day

If I get there next year I will certainly not be having my car judged after my observations on Port Macquarie.
My car was never pretty enough to win anything but at least it was roadworthy and fully engineered, at least one prize winner's car , by his own admission, was not. He had replaced the skinny wheels used to pass engineering with wider ones which would not have passed, therefore did not qualify to enter the event. That is just the one I know about. There were plenty of others with wide wheels which looked doubtful.
I saw another prize winner, of the lowlight variety, loaded into a covered trailer and towed off the field, not allowed I believe.
The rules are the rules they are either applied to everyone or it becomes a joke.
To allow additional modifications on the basis that they are safer is rubbish, on that basis any modernization could be argued on the grounds of safety.
The car is either original or it is modified.
Degrees of modification is rubbish.
Mine is customised because the panel under the grill has been extended a couple of inches
I could argue that the extension acts as an air dam and makes the car safer at 110kph and therefore should only be modified.
Or it could be argued that all the modifications I have made make the car safer there fore maybe it show be standard, as I said rubbish.
It is either original or modified, black or white, no shades of grey.

Cheers
Graham

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A reasonable man accepts what is
An unreasonable man does not.
Therefore the unreasonable man
is responsible for all change.

[John Ballard]

Hi Graham
If you feel that way about the event and the judging why would you want to come????
Pretty is not a catergory requirement.
Seems to me you are wheeling a double sided sword here.
To enjoy the rally you need to be in the spirit of it.
If we use your guide line those not on cross ply tyres are modified or
perhaps custom.
Do not take it so seriously and enjoy.

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[graham]

G'day

You are right John, any car that is not showroom original, is modified from the original specifications as built.
Being a little bit modified is like being a little bit pregnant. You either are or are not.

Pretty may not be a criteria but can you name any trophy winners that were not pretty?

I am not objecting to having a multitude of slightly different classes, just that the rules as stated in the event literature should be applied, with out fear or favour to all competitors.
This clearly was not the case at PM, evidenced by my examples above.

I did not expect to get anywhere in the judging in PM, I entered as the best parking at Brisbane ( the only other Morry rally I had been too.) had been for the judged cars, this was not necessarily the case at PM so I need not have bothered.

I am quite prepared to enter into the spirit of the event, if I new what it was.

I went to all the bits of PM I could get to, subject to some car troubles.

Cheers
Graham

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58 2 door with Mazda 13B. Morris 13/160 Previous: First car $60 2 door 45years ago.

A reasonable man accepts what is
An unreasonable man does not.
Therefore the unreasonable man
is responsible for all change.

[redback]

I have been to a number of rallies and I must say that I used to have my car judged and on numerous times the rally organizers could not add up the scores or would miss major items
When I went to the rally in Perth1995 they missed a whole page when I pointed this out to the rally director I was given a trophy for a different catorgory and told to keep quite I did not want the trophy just an apology
The next National Rally was in Canberra and I did win our catorgory since then I have never had a car judged.
Regards Heather

[Kel]

Graham
Port Macquarie was my first nationals. I liked it a lot and enjoyed it immensely. I met you there and drooled over morex. I only attended so that I could park my car and walk away…not for competition. I mainly wanted to meet other people and to cast my eye over other people’s cars. The only trouble was there were too many people around my car and Tony’s, to safely walk away.

I will not go to next years nationals, as, too me, it was simply too much for my wife and I. So, next year, I will go to the morry muster as this seems to be a lay back scene and no judging.
Maybe something for you to consider if do not agree with the judging but want to enjoy the meeting and greeting

Regards
Kel

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[John Ballard]

Hi Kel
What if we all did not go????
And you are only up the road compared to WA and SA

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[graham]

G'day

Kel
I am like you, I went to PM to see the cars and meet people, it all got a bit messed up with my car troubles on the Saturday but generally accomplished the meet and see. But after what I saw of the judging I could not take the prize giving seriously. To give the furthest travelled to someone who towed their car instead of someone who drove their Morry nearly as far typified the event with inequitable application of the rules, to the letter of the rule they probably were right but they drove a modern 4x4, silly result. Yet other cars which were not roadworthy did not have the letter of the rules applied

I may get there next year to have a look , a few too many variables at this stage to say.
The Morry Muster sounds like fun but I try to avoid going south of the tropic in winter.

John

You left out the NT.
If people are voting with their feet and not attending may be the organising group should be asking why.
The Morry muster seems to get good attendance and that is every year.

Cheers
Graham

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A reasonable man accepts what is
An unreasonable man does not.
Therefore the unreasonable man
is responsible for all change.

[John Ballard]

Graham
If you feel so strongly about what happens at the rallys ask your Morris Minor Club to make you a rally delegate and instigate some changes or volunteer to do some Judging they aways need more.
This way you can help to bring in change.

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[Kel]

John,
I agree with you that it would be bad if we ALL didn't go to the National's. However I only suggested an alternative to Graham, as I will try the alternative.

Maybe the alternative would be the same, but there is no harm in trying.

To me, it’s about gathering ideas, from other people, and then using the ideas on my car. Copying what other people have done. Seeing what other people have created with their morries.

Talking to like minded people. To understand how someone modified their morry to show off.

It's all about fun, to me. Not about judging. In PM, my car was presumably only judged because it had a forum sticker on it.

But everyone to their own.

Regards
Kel

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[bigcarle]

[Scouse]

[grant69]

I found the presentation night to be a bit boring, the number of trophies given out seemed excessive, I would like to see no more than 5 trophies, best mm, series 2, 1000, commercial and peoples choice. Other than that I really enjoy the friendships and the cars, and coming from such an isolated part of the world catching up with fellow club members and forum members is a real treat. To me the Nationals is about sharing your passion with like minded people, I would even be happy to see the meal times without separate tables for each club, as it adds to "the rivalry" instead of a caring sharing attitude. Just my two cents

[grumpy]

G'day all

I am one of the delegates from the Perth, Brisbane and Port Macquarie rallies. And I don't remember the rule being excepted that the current rally committee or for that matter any rally committee has the right to amend the judging guide lines with out the change going to the delegates meeting and being voted on.

I also recall that Brian researched through all of the past delegates minutes and compiled a list of all the current guidelines and a copy given to all reps to hand back to there respective clubs.

If forum members don't know what category their car should be in ask your club delegate as he /she should have all the answers [img] [/img]


regards as always Grumpy

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[Matthew B]

As much as this topic bothers me, it seems hard to leave it alone after being so involved with it some years back.

No, clubs cannot just change the rules, it needs to go through the delegates meeting. Any club that has changed outside the results of the delegates meeting needs a slap on the wrists - bad bad little boys and girls, go sit in the corner.

Anyway, for those only interested in display, seeing the people and cars etc, the categories and rules shouldn't mean a thing, as they don't apply to you, so don't worry about it, get to the rally and enjoy.

For those who care about the trophies, want their car judged etc, well go for it. Just remember you can't always win and there will be some one who has more time, money or whatever it takes to make their car a bit better than yours. The judging is subjective and by no means perfect, then again neither is a Morris minor, otherwise they'd still be making them and no one would modify them. After all, aren't we all just jealous that we don't have the same amount of time and money that the trailer queens do! I've spent big on my Morry this year, I got a new battery for it!

After all, if you want it to be laid back and relaxed, make it that way! It's your rally and you can make it as stress free or as stressful as you want it to be. In the end, don't blame the organisers if you can't enjoy yourself, they do a shitload of work to set these things up, many many hours, week after week, month after month, believe me, I know. So unless your willing to run one yourself shut up and give them all the praise they deserve, regardless.

[frosty]

John, what happened to your question that was posted on the other side?

[John Ballard]

Good question I looked today and all the posts were gone.

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[jelly bean]

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[jelly bean]

even more deleted now

only 3 topics and 7 post

[blacky]

Christ almighty , for a bunch of blokes talking about old cars you really are a pack of bitches I am a member on quite a few different forums as i have several cars but the Morry mob are far and away the most petty pack of whingers of the lot . If the primary reason you sooks attend rallys is to gather trophys you are missing the point

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[Jason Chadwick]

Onya blacky tell it how it is mate . This is a freaking joke I've all ready had my say on this festering cesspool mdu forum . I call on any one with any balls to voice there opinion . I,m the same I,m on other car forum sites , & had a long association with show/ fast / cars & ive never seen such a pack of bitches . .